"The United States cannot transform into a socialist system, because the Great Depression is a massive setback in American production development, but the Great Depression cannot destroy the United States. Moreover, the current US economy is still on the right path in terms of development; what needs adjustment is the previous indulgence in finance. Once the issue of poor economic circulation caused by the loss of credit in finance and banking is solved, the US can basically return to normal. It's just that the US economy cannot return to the stage of booming production and sales and crazy speculation like in 1929."

He Rui did not want to belittle the United States, because lies can neither generate true joy nor solve reality's problems.

He thought everyone would discuss it a bit, but he heard Minister of Commerce Li Chenggang ask: "Chairman, how long do we need to catch up with the United States?"

He Rui was overjoyed; it was great that the comrades were thinking this way. He immediately answered: "The correct path of the United States is that it has embarked on a model of large-scale and ultra-large-scale industrial production. The so-called freedom and various declarations of the United States are all nonsense. Without mass production, the United States would be a group of out-and-out colonizers, a group of barbarians who know basically nothing except massacres, robbery, and crime. What truly shaped the United States is mass production. The so-called spirit of freedom, adventure, and daring to break through—these are cognitive recognitions that were preserved and reinforced because they met the needs of mass production. 'If the skin does not exist, where will the hair attach?' Mass production is the foundation of the United States."

After speaking, looking at the excited or troubled expressions of the comrades, He Rui smiled: "Hehe, all the macro policies we have implemented in the past few years are to allow China to possess mass production capabilities. Just now Comrade Li Chenggang asked when we can catch up with the United States. The answer is simple: when we possess the same mass production capabilities as the United States, we can catch up with the United States. When we possess mass production capabilities exceeding the United States, we surpass the United States. Comrades should have felt deeply these years that mass production is by no means just piling up quantities, but a more advanced mode of production organization. Moreover, this mode must exist around the consumption power of the people; it cannot be understood using China's traditional agricultural society thinking."

"But it has created too many problems!" said Minister of Justice Chen Deli.

"En." He Rui nodded.

Seeing He Rui admit this, Chen Deli felt he must ask a few more questions. Because the Ministry of Justice was under great pressure now, handling a vast number of cases involving vague conceptual issues, which was even more troublesome in actual execution. "Chairman, so many things have happened now that are hard to explain to the masses; these are all results caused by large-scale industrialization. Which side are we actually to choose? If we don't enact laws, it becomes judicial discretion for judges. If we enact laws, the content of many laws is unjustifiable."

He Rui answered: "We have said many times that the development of productive forces inevitably triggers changes in the entire society. Society develops new modes of production, living, and morality around the new productive forces. We call ourselves New China because we are promoting a great change, and because we are in the midst of it. Not only is society changing drastically, but we ourselves are also changing. And this change will definitely not end in our generation, or even necessarily in two or three generations. Productive forces must develop until everyone has received an excellent education, giving them the ability to choose and bear the consequences of their actions."

Speaking of this, He Rui looked at the comrades and found that everyone's imagination at this stage seemed insufficient to support such a future, so he switched to a more straightforward and understandable explanation. "That is to say, perhaps in 150 years, everyone will possess a knowledge structure and insight surpassing ours. Society will have the ability to provide tailored education for everyone's genetic characteristics. By that time, the problems we have to solve now will have been solved. As for the problems people will face in the future, we will no longer be there, and we can't worry about them."

After speaking, seeing that the comrades still couldn't empathize, He Rui could only shorten the description of the future again. "Then let's switch to an easier-to-understand issue. In at most 40 years, the detection rate of theft and similar cases in China may approach 100%, and there will basically be no cases of being wronged."

A burst of kind and sympathetic laughter finally rang out. As for whether the comrades' sympathy was directed at the Minister of Public Security, the Minister of Justice, or He Rui, it was hard to judge.

But He Rui had seen that kind of world, so he unhurriedly described the 'future world' full of cameras to the comrades. Hearing the technological development 'predicted' by He Rui, the expressions of many ministers became very serious. The ministers related to the judiciary smiled bitterly. Minister of Justice Chen Deli said helplessly: "If it can really be done, it is a good thing. But I always feel something is not quite right."

"Do you think making it like this is making a fuss over nothing?" He Rui asked.

"No." Chen Deli shook his head. "Chairman, I think these are all very good. But I think, if we have developed to that stage, why would anyone still steal things?"

As soon as this was said, the expressions of the Central Committee members changed. Wu Youping felt he should not let this topic continue; continuing like this would trigger many opinions. But before Wu Youping could interject, He Rui had already answered: "Because social development is not fast enough, not thorough enough, and a portion of people still lost the opportunity to enter mainstream society. Moreover, this stratification is automatically generated during the process of great social development, and the social system will also reinforce this situation to a certain extent."

In the silence, Chen Deli, the comrade who had followed He Rui to the Northeast in 1915, asked somewhat depressedly: "Chairman, this isn't something that can be solved by equalizing wealth, is it?"

He Rui answered unswervingly: "Correct, this is not a question of equalizing wealth. Equalizing wealth is a means to resolve social contradictions when everyone has roughly similar levels of production capacity. Just like our land reform; the proportion of Chinese people who cannot farm is not high. After land assets are distributed to everyone, the survival problem can be solved. But in the industrial age, individuals need to possess skills. The level of this skill is hard to say. Everyone holding the same tools, taught by the same teachers, facing the same materials, in the same amount of time—the products produced vary hugely. Then, I have a question: do those who fail in this competition have the qualification to blame others?"

None of the ministers were willing to answer. Everyone knew that from the perspective of the culture accumulated and precipitated by Chinese civilization, everyone believed in "do not vent anger on others, do not repeat mistakes," so one should not complain. However, those who can truly achieve this are the winners of the competition. They also have no reason to complain. And the losers of the competition are full of grumbles, blaming everyone and everything but themselves. It is understandable that they do this. More importantly, even if one criticizes these people, what happens after the criticism? Can one give these people help, lift them to the level of the winners, and let them win the next competition? I'm afraid it's very difficult!

This world is just this cruel. The matter of everyone having a bright future only exists in stories. The true reality is that every competition brings a massive amount of losers. Let alone victory, for a person to not fail is already extraordinary.

Others dared not say it, but He Rui's responsibility made it impossible for him not to discuss these issues. Taking a sip of water, He Rui said: "Comrades see the Great Depression in the US now, with ten or twenty million unemployed. The unemployed have no dwellings, live in temporary houses made of cardboard, beg, steal, and live lives that are no longer human. If we talk about reasons, from the problems of the capitalist system to American social traditions, or the greed of capitalists, or the weaknesses of human nature—people have attacked from every possible angle. However, my view is that the United States has pulled 120 million Americans into the era of large-scale industrial production. The existing social system and social organization of the United States lack experience, and their ability is not enough to ensure the stable development of an America with 120 million people in the era of large industry. And we in China have 500 million people. We are pushing 500 million people into large-scale industrial production. In the development stage, such a large population is our advantage, giving us a large enough market. However, once we cannot solve these problems, what we will face is the backlash of 500 million industrial population. Its impact force will be at least four times that of the United States. And everyone knows there is a superposition effect involved; the impact we receive will be even greater. So, when we face the inescapable impact, can we effectively deal with these situations?"

The tea party was supposed to be very relaxed, but He Rui's words made the atmosphere oppressive. Seeing everyone fall silent and no one speak for a good while, Wu Youping felt it couldn't go on like this. Discussing these topics was too scary and too demoralizing. So he smiled: "Chairman, compared to the suffering China has endured, what the US is going through now counts for nothing. What we lack now is how to more effectively exert the organizational capacity of mass production; comrades are very clear on this."

This was forcibly easing the mood; everyone knew it, and He Rui knew it too. Since there was no need to be so depressed at this time, He Rui smiled: "That's right. With the development of large-scale industry, the US system developed into a mode that suits US large-scale industry. What we need to do now is learn from the successful experience of the US, and learn experience from their setbacks! Only in this way can the advantages of our Chinese civilization be fully developed! By the way, comrades, I want to emphasize once again: large-scale industrial society is a new thing. Directly copying old models will definitely not work. And the core of Chinese civilization is knowing not to feel sorry for oneself or blame everyone else, but to adapt to the times and weed through the old to bring forth the new. Only this can let us embark on a new path. If the path is correct, no matter how many problems there are, they can all be solved."

Chen Deli was obviously somewhat excited; he actually opened his mouth to ask again: "Historically, China was very concerned about land annexation. In the industrial age, annexation becomes acceptable. The negative effects are too huge! Can it be solved just by progressive taxation?"

He Rui did not mind some of the impulsiveness of Chen Deli, a comrade from a worker family background. Justice is originally a kind of impulse; if one has no feeling for the people's suffering, an organization will naturally develop in an evil direction internally. So He Rui answered Chen Deli's question: "This requires solving specific problems from a legal perspective, but the law itself certainly has its class attributes. For the state at the current stage, because the strong are destined to be the winners of competition. Any political party that calls itself a party of the whole people and produces a set of rules for everyone without exception is, without exception, firmly serving the strong. Precisely because the society of large-scale industrial production is a very new model, it is very easy for someone to raise the slogan of equality for all to cover up their disgust for ordinary people! Therefore, we are now in a social transition stage. On one hand, the head of our society is entering the era of large-scale industrialization. On the other hand, the majority of the masses do not have the ability to become the mainstream of the large-scale industrialization era on their own. Every stratum will put forward their views for their own interests, while we, the Civilization Party, and the government, must have our own cognition. Our understanding is that at the current stage, our goal is to most efficiently push the entire Chinese people into the era of large-scale industrialization. The trade-offs and choices in this process are very complex and are destined to bring countless painful memories. But one thing will not change: the shorter this gradual process, the less the pain, and the smaller the loss."

Chen Deli felt his mood improve a lot at this moment. Seeing the gap between rich and poor in society change at an alarming speed, although the people had indeed received great improvement, the feeling the social changes gave Chen Deli was that those who were originally rich had become even richer in the new era. Chen Deli felt that the fruits of the struggle of tens of millions of ordinary Chinese people for the country had been picked by this group of people. As soon as such a thought arose, Chen Deli felt pain.

Hearing He Rui explain the situation just now, Chen Deli felt he had a backbone again. He Rui was still the one who led the comrades to the Northeast 16 years ago. He Rui was not only very clear about the national crisis and the people's suffering and dissatisfaction, but also viewed them from a very deep perspective. Chen Deli believed that He Rui just needed some time; as long as He Rui was given time, these problems would definitely be solved.

Seeing the reaction of the comrades, Wu Youping finally felt at ease. Now there was strong dissatisfaction within the Party, and thoughts were equally surging in society. Within the Party, at least there was He Rui to hold the fort; everyone had the highest confidence in He Rui. But society was much more turbulent; radical ideas were rising, proclaiming that the Chinese nation is the most excellent nation in the world and China is the greatest country in the world. Therefore, conquering the world is China's responsibility.

In Wu Youping's view, the two actually had a commonality: they both hoped to quickly eliminate the vested interest classes abroad and at home, and redistribute their interests to the poor people to solve the suffering of the bottom-level people now.

From what He Rui just described, Wu Youping was also very relieved. As long as the source of pain could be clarified, solutions could be proposed for these problems. Moreover, Wu Youping believed that with China's civilizational heritage, the Chinese people would definitely be able to fully enter the era of large-scale industrialization and enjoy the liberation brought to everyone by the new era.

The tea party continued, and the questions discussed next were much more relaxed. When comrades asked about He Rui's views on Britain and France, He Rui's tone was very relaxed: "The population of Britain and France determines that they can never become socialized mass production countries. So they have no future! The era of the carnival of medium-sized countries is over, or rather, what we are seeing now is the beginning of the end."

Britain and France had been the world's most important countries for the past few hundred years, so He Rui's relaxed judgment felt to the comrades like a death sentence for the current status of Britain and France. When this death sentence would be executed was just a matter of watching if the time had come.

Apart from these relatively serious topics, other discussions became even more relaxed. Although China had great weaknesses facing the three countries of Britain, France, and the US, facing other countries, China did not take them seriously at all. The current China really had such confidence.

After the tea party ended, news came very quickly that Roosevelt had really decided to run for president and had received the support of the Democratic Party. Even the policies Roosevelt might adopt had been obtained by China's intelligence gathering department through some channels.

Roosevelt's thinking mainly included:

**Emergency Banking Act:**

The first measure of a potential future Roosevelt administration would be to pass the Emergency Banking Act, providing timely rescue to the US financial system. The passage of this act would not only stabilize the financial market but also create favorable conditions for the recovery of the US economy.

**Public Works Programs:**

To create a large number of employment opportunities, the future Roosevelt administration would implement large-scale public works plans, including building infrastructure and improving public services. These projects would drive economic growth and create conditions for the US to get rid of the depression.

**Agricultural Adjustment Act (AAA):**

The Agricultural Adjustment Act aims to increase prices of agricultural products and stabilize farmers' income through government intervention. Through this policy, US agriculture would gradually get rid of the crisis, providing support for economic recovery.

**Social Security System:**

The future Roosevelt administration might also strengthen the US social security system, providing living security for the elderly, the disabled, and the unemployed. This policy would improve the welfare level of American society and alleviate poverty.

He Rui could see that even the intelligence gathering department felt these were not such big deals. Because if they didn't do this, in China's view, they couldn't find any other choice for the US.

Moreover, these policies were not proposed by Roosevelt; even the Hoover administration, which was scolded bloody, was actually doing these things. For example, the Hoover administration was also vigorously promoting various infrastructure constructions; the 'Hoover Dam' was one of the very famous projects.

Therefore, in the intelligence analysis He Rui obtained, the analysis department clearly made a judgment: "The United States at the current stage is attempting to solve the current economic crisis by enhancing US industrial strength. The American elite class has not degenerated, nor has it fallen into comprehensive panic. With such a group of people, American power has not suffered true destruction due to the economic crisis; instead, it has shed many problems due to the economic crisis. This economic crisis should be viewed as a lesson, not a complete failure."

After He Rui finished reading, he asked his secretary to bring him the name and information of the author of this report.